tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.comments2016-07-29T08:59:10.324-05:00I Am DebtorDebtor Paulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12495919232407390495noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-8407308237002597092016-07-29T08:59:10.324-05:002016-07-29T08:59:10.324-05:00Nate,
Thanks for the comment! I don't think t...Nate,<br /><br />Thanks for the comment! I don't think that you would have to worry about 25% from most churches, even if they accept this philosophy. In light of that, your concerns may be a little exaggerated. That being said, I have actually begun to encourage churches to move to a percentage support system. I would encourage a sending church to consider supporting their sent missionaries Debtor Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495919232407390495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-1225412467078436842016-07-28T17:59:24.702-05:002016-07-28T17:59:24.702-05:00I struggle with this issue. I'm undecided, but...I struggle with this issue. I'm undecided, but I see another side and challenges to giving more to fewer. I'm a former missionary and currently a missions pastor. I struggle with a couple more "Objections" to the idea.<br />1. (As you mentioned) the dependency. You feel it more if a church gets a new pastor and withdraws their 25% of your support.<br />2. Beholding to. If a Nate Adamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-12775725532131957832014-02-14T09:33:24.048-06:002014-02-14T09:33:24.048-06:00@Jason
Thank you for the comment. My feelings tod...@Jason<br /><br />Thank you for the comment. My feelings today are basically the same now as then. The difference now is that I have been through deputation and am currently on the field. My time on deputation was better than that of most. My sending church covered 25% of my support needs. Because of how we went about planning for deputation, our time on the road was better than most as well. <brDebtor Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495919232407390495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-27266315694545790392014-02-14T08:07:53.460-06:002014-02-14T08:07:53.460-06:00I would love to read a update of your thoughts tod...I would love to read a update of your thoughts today compared to 2009 when you wrote this. Jason- Missionary to HungaryJasonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-36540349078225305712014-01-29T09:38:41.440-06:002014-01-29T09:38:41.440-06:00Dave,
I agree with you almost completely. Financia...Dave,<br />I agree with you almost completely. Financially, it makes a great deal of sense. As my love is for Japan, it makes a big difference in the ability to reach the Japanese (not that the Japanese are that reachable anyway). I do think, however, that your ideas still don't deal with the fact that funding is badly off because of staffing at American churches, selfishness of American The Navy Christianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15116964729906856912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-78008894175276989712013-08-26T10:49:08.553-05:002013-08-26T10:49:08.553-05:00I am an Ind Baptist Missionary that is returning h...I am an Ind Baptist Missionary that is returning home after nearly 5 years on the missionary field in Guatemala. My wife and I sold everything and came by faith under the direction of our pastor and support of $100 a month from our church. We never went on deputation. God has proven Himself faithful each and every month. We have lived here for about $1200 a month and we have lived fairly David Goedkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14474510703878234808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-2272914908939668012011-06-11T09:01:28.875-05:002011-06-11T09:01:28.875-05:00Preeti, thank you for the comment. While I am no l...Preeti, thank you for the comment. While I am no longer able to maintain this blog with fresh posts, I do still follow the comments. <br /><br />There are no doubt plans that would be more appropriate to the denominations. The plans I have proposed on this blog have been specifically in the context of independent Baptist churches, who are not, will not, and should not be joined into a Debtor Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495919232407390495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-27738248598525901532011-06-11T03:02:31.276-05:002011-06-11T03:02:31.276-05:00I agree with Dan, that funding problem is going to...I agree with Dan, that funding problem is going to hit all denominations But to solve this funding problem, there are several better alternatives than the proposed funding plan. <a href="http://www.galstyanimmigrationlaw.com/" rel="nofollow">debtor</a>Preetihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09721683450380642329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-40918219254023565062011-02-16T07:28:51.755-06:002011-02-16T07:28:51.755-06:00Thank you for the comment. I pray that the Lord gu...Thank you for the comment. I pray that the Lord guides you clearly as you follow Him to China.<br /><br />Concerning biblical support. We should remember that Paul's methods of missionary support were largely descriptive rather than prescriptive. He provides us with significant precedence, though little command. He does clearly teach the single biblical prescription concerning missionary Debtor Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495919232407390495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-11918907747978802252011-02-16T05:58:55.953-06:002011-02-16T05:58:55.953-06:00Debtor,
I've been strongly considering missio...Debtor,<br /><br />I've been strongly considering missions work in China and have been coming to the same conclusions you've come to: Paul supported himself or received support from churches that he himself planted or encouraged for a while. I've heard of an article that made a pretty strong case that deputation can defended with a goal to serve churches rather than the goal to raise Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01785154507677623593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-52513252417630941802010-08-26T11:54:11.929-05:002010-08-26T11:54:11.929-05:00thank youthank youyemek tarifleri resimlihttp://yemektarifleriresimli.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-54526400288692478042010-08-26T11:53:49.977-05:002010-08-26T11:53:49.977-05:00thank youthank youdizi izlehttp://www.izleyicitemsilcisi.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-34079174016848304342010-08-17T09:56:14.325-05:002010-08-17T09:56:14.325-05:00We are thankful that the web-site Etnopedia with d...We are thankful that the web-site Etnopedia with detailed profiles of unreached peoples is daily growing. We believe this web-site will become an important tool for the reach-out to the unreached peoples in this world. Check out the Etnopedia at http://en.etnopedia.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page which is a wiki. Right now there are 2,350 profiles in Spanish and more than 1730 in English, more than Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-69775358515057458622010-04-23T08:59:12.206-05:002010-04-23T08:59:12.206-05:00I'm glad to see your blog and to know that the...I'm glad to see your blog and to know that there are guys out there who are "thinking" and realize that there are problems with the way we have been doing missions. Please keep up your efforts and provoke us to serve Him better.Jon Nelmsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-37445678337941012012009-12-04T11:27:53.572-06:002009-12-04T11:27:53.572-06:00Glad to read another post...I'm going to have ...Glad to read another post...I'm going to have to read it again and chew on it, though, as my mind is a little foggy right now and it is some pretty deep stuff.Rockyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07404515725045879174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-70706793553696692142009-09-15T09:09:06.105-05:002009-09-15T09:09:06.105-05:00I am not an Independent Fundamentalist, but I can ...I am not an Independent Fundamentalist, but I can see how this funding problem is going to hit all denominations. I think it's a good idea to hit it head on, and I appreciate your work.The Navy Christianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15116964729906856912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-18401106981569088252009-08-24T11:57:26.197-05:002009-08-24T11:57:26.197-05:00Justin,
I think that is an excellent point. In th...Justin,<br /><br />I think that is an excellent point. In that respect (if I'm understanding you correctly) I perceive this problem in our support system: both churches and missionaries expect and seek a very low level of relationship and two-way ministry involvement when it comes to supported missionaries. It ends with a check, a little prayer (sometimes), and an occasional prayer letter. Debtor Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495919232407390495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-28660533200657824632009-08-24T11:38:55.057-05:002009-08-24T11:38:55.057-05:00Another approach might be to try to help missionar...Another approach might be to try to help missionaries change their fundraising habits rather than to change church habits. Ask what a good distribution of missionary support is - how much should an individual missionary get for their budget from one church? 10%? 25%? 50%? 5%? Then the question becomes, how much does that % represent... and what does a church need in terms of relationship? donor Justin Longhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00979219431635687701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-82454440457715985012009-08-24T11:34:04.911-05:002009-08-24T11:34:04.911-05:00Dan,
That is one of the primary hurdles in solvin...Dan,<br /><br />That is one of the primary hurdles in solving this problem. I believe our autonomy is Biblical, and so is our cooperation. Our support model itself, I believe, is good. However, how do changes get made to this type of cooperative system of support when there is no central governing body?<br /><br />First, there are 'fellowships' of sorts among Fundamentals in my 'Debtor Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495919232407390495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-49144130521869878792009-08-24T11:15:53.129-05:002009-08-24T11:15:53.129-05:00Logistics question: Who will organize this vast ch...Logistics question: Who will organize this vast change? There is no central governing body, correct? Or have I forgotten something that I used to know? <br /><br />Wouldn't it require something or someone to push that?The Navy Christianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15116964729906856912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-18942712875324367512009-08-24T10:33:00.707-05:002009-08-24T10:33:00.707-05:00Good post. I was thinking...what it comes down to ...Good post. I was thinking...what it comes down to is reproduction. If churches are starting new churches and adding to them regularly (and, of course, teaching the converts how to reproduce as well [soul-winning and mission giving]), then the money should be there for the missionaries when they are called (TRULY called).Rockyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07404515725045879174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-45834496569381064332009-08-19T14:45:24.530-05:002009-08-19T14:45:24.530-05:00Thanks for linking to my blog....and for the other...Thanks for linking to my blog....and for the other blogs you listed. I'll be sure to check them out.Grady Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00493780950443741898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-52082508576610579562009-08-18T15:26:19.709-05:002009-08-18T15:26:19.709-05:00I just read the post on the 10/40 window and it br...I just read the post on the 10/40 window and it broke my heart. Thank you for sharing that with us because I've felt that struggle too. It means a lot to me.The Navy Christianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15116964729906856912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-27865685956496263882009-08-14T12:51:50.713-05:002009-08-14T12:51:50.713-05:00Thank you for the suggested reading and disclaimer...Thank you for the suggested reading and disclaimers. I will look these books up. This blog is really a great resource, thanks.Rockyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07404515725045879174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1989595510439403225.post-20377188017688253772009-08-07T17:50:24.809-05:002009-08-07T17:50:24.809-05:00Landry,
Thank you for your comments. Let me say t...Landry,<br /><br />Thank you for your comments. Let me say these things:<br /><br />I want to reiterate that most will and should marry. However, Paul (for the present distress) is clearly suggesting (not commanding) that the unmarried widows and virgins remain as he was, single. Paul makes it clear to the Corinthians that he did not have a wife. There is no way to avoid this in a plain reading Debtor Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495919232407390495noreply@blogger.com